Summing Up

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Summing Up

Matt Fulkerson

Tue Jan 30 20:05:55 -0800 2007

(in reply to solar activity )

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I'd love to stick around and hear how many insults you can hurl at me (toilet paper equations, grapefruit IQ, etc), but I'm tiring of this conversation, if you can call it that.

That last thing I'll say to you on this topic is that you seem to be very keen to believe that humans are not responsible for the current global warming trend. Your logic seems to be that over the Earth's 4 billion history, there have been large shifts in climate. No doubt. However, the fundamental objection I have is that you so easily dismiss the effect of a 50% increase in CO2 concentrations. I have never stated in these posts that CO2 is the only possible cause of global warming. I have only questioned your statements that solar flares, coupled with a decrease in the earth's magnetic field, are more likely to be the cause. I have argued that the energy involved in solar flares is negligible compared to the total solar output over any extended period of time. But maybe global warming is caused by cosmic rays (or lack thereof). Maybe...

Summing Up

Skyler Visconti

Tue Jan 30 23:53:20 -0800 2007
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CO2 has historically been at < 1% of our atmosphere, raising it 50% isn't a crisis of biblical proportions. Sorry, you're wrong for blaming humanity. CO2 levels have been MUCH higher, if we consider what past super volcanoes have done.

I didn't just limit the cause to the sun's weather. Have you not been listening? I have listed numerous other possible explanations. The solar rays are just one factor you've attached yourself to. El Nino was another example. Do we need to discuss the ocean temperatures too? Shifts in the jet stream, or the effects of the shifting poles? Shall we discuss movement in earth's inner core and it's affects on ocean temperatures? Yes, I am open to the idea of global warming being caused partially by CO2, but suggesting it as a main cause or even 50% of the reason earth is warming up is ridiculous. Could it happen? Sure, but with levels of CO@ being less than 2% of our atmosphere... no.